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Cinait says, "I was talking with a friend about chaos several weeks ago. I
think we came up with the conclusion that the world might be chaotic,
as it is a multitude of things that can and cannont be percieved. So
to make our minds able to handle it, we organize the stimulus around
us to make sense."
You say, "But there are patterns all over the world - patterns that were
there before we knew to look for them. The world is orderly."
Cinait says, "Yes, that much is true. In the very least we have a cycle of
moons."
You say, "In fact, the world MUST be orderly, or there is no purpose in
studying it."
Cinait nods
You say, "And, correct. How could you have the concept of 'day' and 'night'
if the sun will not rise and set regularly."
You say, "How can you have seasons if the weather and so on do not follow
patterns."
Cinait says, "Yes, it makes sense. So the world is naturally orderly."
You nod
You say, "Yes, it is."
You say, "I have yet to find anything that is truly random. The nearest the
world ever comes to randomness is orderliness with more rules than we
can comprehend."
Cinait hmms
Cinait says, "But that already exists I believe."
You say, "Yes, it does, but it is neither chaotic nor random."
You say, "It is still, fundamentally, ordered."
You say, "Here is a sequence of numbers: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7."
Cinait nods
You say, "Is it orderly or chaotic?"
Cinait says, "It is orderly."
You say, "If it's orderly, you should be able to tell me the next two."
Cinait says, "8 and 9."
You say, "Right. What about these? 4, 9, 16, 27, 36."
Cinait hmms
Cinait says, "I can't determine the sequence."
You say, "There's a well-known sequence that would have 25 there."
You say, "Is it chaotic to have 27 instead? You would have to see some more
numbers in the sequence."
You say, "If it goes 49, 64, 81, 102, 121... you have a pattern."
Cinait hmms
You say, "The main sequence is the square numbers - the numbers that you
can arrange in nice squares, like two by two or three by three."
Cinait says, "So then our scope of the world around us might be too narrow
to understand the orderliness of it and it could appear that chaos is
natural because, in all likely hood, complete order might be beyond
conceptulization."
Cinait says, "Just as chaos might be beyond conceptualization."
You say, "Something like that. Whenever you find something that seems to
break a pattern, it's probably not chaos, but another rule."
You say, "Like in that number sequence: that every fifth number is
increased by 2."
Cinait hmms
Cinait says, "And these are rather simple examples, the truth could be much
more complicated."
You say, "Right."
Cinait says, "Well, this changes alot of things for me."
You say, "There's not going to be just two rules involved, but easily tens
or hundreds."
Cinait hmms
Cinait says, "That does make perfect sense."